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Re: What is a VLE?

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Re: What is a VLE?

Eamon Costello — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:06:33 -0000

"but to call it a ‘learning environment’ or ‘learning platform’ is something of a misnomer."
I've thought this myself. At least in industry which have been using them for a lot longer they are more honest and call them "Learner Management Systems". There are a great many things VLE/LMSes can do but they inevitably become a centralising force that standardises learning and comes to be used as an administrative record keeping tool. The VLE is an artefact of Institutional Learning i.e. Learning as it happens in large institutions.

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- Eamon

Re: What is a VLE?

Johny — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:18 -0000

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Re: What is a VLE?

Doug Belshaw — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:52:54 -0000

A representative from TALMOS contacted me 3 times yesterday and told me repeatedly that they were merely attempting to start a dialogue. Although I feel that they have back-tracked quite a lot, I'm willing to let the matter rest now.

I leave it up to readers of this post and comments as to whether you decide the makers of TALMOS are a company with which you want to do business. Do read other websites which have opinions on the products first, of course. ;-)

Re: What is a VLE?

Doug Belshaw — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:52:54 -0000

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Dafydd — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:21:38 -0000

What an amazingly stupid decision by Talmos to demand that their commercial product only gets favourable reviews! The company* that produces this piece of software is based in India, where such anti-competitive practices may be lawful, but may I assure them that they are not lawful in the E.U.

*CORE Projects & Technologies Ltd.

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Dafydd — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:21:38 -0000

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Re: What is a VLE?

Emmadw — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:25:53 -0000

I'd forgotten what you'd written - but was able to locate it via Google's cache. I have to say they seem to be very sensitive ... it wasn't particularly bad really!

It will be interesting to see, though, what impact this has on searching for Talmos ... I've just searched Google.co.uk - and didn't find a reference to this post ... yet. Wonder what will happen in the next few days?

See the email I'm just about to send you.

Re: What is a VLE?

Emmadw — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:25:53 -0000

I'd forgotten what you'd written - but was able to locate it via Google's cache. I have to say they seem to be very sensitive ... it wasn't particularly bad really!

See the email I'm just about to send you.

Re: What is a VLE?

Sinclair Mackenzie — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:04:59 -0000

Presume that they are now sending similar letter to Apple threatening legal action if the ETR podcast is not taken off iTunes? No? Why ever not?
I'm off to google for reviews of TALMOS products to see if they have silenced the whole of the web.

Re: What is a VLE?

Doug Belshaw — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:17:04 -0000

@Will, Bud, Paul: Basically, a member of the Senior Leadership Team (SLT) called me in for a quiet word. They showed me the email and said what TALMOS had asked to happen (me to remove the post and EdTechRoundup podcast). I did wonder how they found out where I work seeing as I never mention it online.

I have a good working relationship with the member of the SLT who talked to me. They said that the school couldn't force me to remove the post, but I could see that to avoid bringing up issues to do with Web 2.0 and Acceptable Use Policies before I'm in my new position, it was best to modify the post. Hence what you see above.

I think that the fact that it shows I've had to retract my comments, coupled with the response from the edublogosphere, speaks volumes... :-)

Re: What is a VLE?

Sinclair Mackenzie — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:04:59 -0000

Re: What is a VLE?

Doug Belshaw — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:17:04 -0000

I think that the fact that it shows I've had to retract my comments, coupled with the response from the edublogosphere, speaks volumes... :-)

Re: What is a VLE?

Paul Hamilton — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:06:43 -0000

TALMOS is a name that should be made famous--as an example of a company that practices intimidation and censorship of the very worst kind. If this kind of abhorrent practice is allowed to go unchallenged, your experience is unlikely to remain an isolated incident for long. Unless TALMOS backtracks and apologizes here, I sincerely hope that this sad strategy will backfire badly.

--Paul

Re: What is a VLE?

budtheteacher — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:01:38 -0000

Doug,

I'm concerned, too, about what's happened here - any chance of an update?

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Will Richardson — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:50:44 -0000

Doug,

I'd be interested in hearing what your school's response was. Did they just accept this demand without comment? Did they argue? Did they talk to you?

Re: What is a VLE?

mrkp — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:47:29 -0000

I agree with your comments that VLEs are already out of date. Working within the primary sector we were 'given' the VLE solution by our LEA. They and consequently we went with Fronter. Without wanting to sound 'commercially damaging' everything was so slow and time consuming it became redundant as a tool compared to the flexible web 2.0 tools that we've started using instead.

Re: What is a VLE?

Clarence Fisher — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:39:27 -0000

Not sure Doug how they have the right or ability to do this? I'm confused. Do you blog from school or is your blog somewhow related to your school? I do not agree at all with this action and I am curious about how it could actually happen.

Re: What is a VLE?

Doug Belshaw — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:39:04 -0000

Thanks for the support, guys. It disappoints me greatly that TALMOS are more interested in silencing those who have found their product wanting rather than on getting user feedback. They didn't even try to contact me directly. :-(

Re: What is a VLE?

Paul Hamilton — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:06:43 -0000

--Paul